As part of my retirement plan, I am attempting to save 25-30x my annual expenses. By eliminating my mortgage payment, I drastically reduce the amount I'll need to be able to retire. If I were only paying my minimum mortgage payment of ~$1,200/mo (principal and interest) and planned to keep that amount throughout retirement, I would need an additional ~$400k before I could retire.
1. You have a great interest rate on your house (3.75%) - why pay it off when you could do better in the market? Isn't that what smart investors do?
I also foresee a day when I might want to start an entrepreneurial venture and having extremely low fixed costs makes that feel more palatable. I know that I would never feel comfortable leaving a high paying job while maintaining large fixed expenses so paying off the house at least gives me the option to take other measured risks.
Lastly, the problem with trying to 'make the spread' between debt and an investment is twofold. First, that only works over a long period of time and ignores the volatility that could wipe you out entirely. If this were such a good idea, why don't you trade stocks on margin? Same thing, right? Second, in corporate finance models for NPV or WACC, one of the underlying assumptions is that the corporate entity exists in perpetuity. Since I don't plan on having an income in perpetuity, I shouldn't use the same models lest I inadvertently extend my working years beyond my desired retirement date.
Other ways of building wealth could possibly work, but the approach I'm taking with my mortgage always works.
2. I know everyone says that I can't time the market but hypothetically if I could, what types of investments could I use to avoid downturns in stocks?
I shouldn't be surprised to be asked this so much, but I still am. After nearly going blue in the face explaining how it is impossible to successfully time the market, multiple people came back with a response along the lines of:
"That's nice, and I get what you're trying to say. But I really think this time is different. I can't really explain why, but I just feel like I'll be able to tell before the next downturn happens, since I've read a couple of books about the 2008 crash, or have a different perspective than most people, or ..."When faced with someone who can't be convinced of their own naivete, the best that I can do is to have them answer a few questions (which they generally hadn't thought of before), then recommend they read Simple Wealth, Inevitable Wealth.
One of the main arguments I have with this question is this:
- If you sell and go into cash, when will you get back into the market? If you are relying on your gut for signals to buy and sell, you will more than likely not feel right getting back into the market until after the market is higher than it was when you sold out. Sitting in cash while others around you are 'losing' is like being wrapped in a warm blanket. It's very comfortable, but that same comfort can also smother your returns as you lose purchasing power to inflation or the inability to ever get back into the market.
If none of that works, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
3. Should I be investing in Roth or Traditional 401k?
Even though I am personally investing in a traditional pre-tax 401k right now, I suggest using Roth in nearly all situations. The reason I'm not doing Roth right now is to maximize my take-home pay for the short-term while we finish paying off our house. Once we're done with that goal (less than three years from now), we'll switch back to Roth and increase our contributions and even do some additional Roth conversions.
For me, this argument really boils down to having more money in retirement. Given the choice between $1M in Traditional IRA's and $1M in Roth IRA's, the Roth is the obvious choice. Sure, you have to pay the taxes early but once I'm done paying off my home, the only thing left for me to do is to build wealth. The more I can contribute or convert to Roth IRA's the more I'll have in retirement.
Since my plan is to max out all retirement savings accounts possible after my home is paid off, by choosing the Roth option, I am effectively saving more towards retirement. If I invest $18,500 today, it will grow to the same amount whether it is in a Roth or a Traditional, but if it's Roth I get to keep it all versus having an unknown percentage as 'phantom money' that will be taxes due. Our own human nature is such that when we look at account balances of $100k we think 'Hey, I've got $100k' whether it is Roth or Traditional. In reality the only way $100k in a retirement account is actually $100k is if it is in a Roth.
Overall, it was fun to have these chats as it's a topic I'm passionate about and something I genuinely want people to do well in. Hopefully, those who seek me out will at least glean a little from our talks, but it would be really awesome (and entirely possible) if it changes their course in a larger way.